Finally: The Garmin Descent Dive watch


Yes, finally after appearing more than a year ago, Garmin released their first dive watch based on the Fenix.
This again shows it’s no secret to know which products are coming or even spot them in the wild, but the timeframe of announcement is much more difficult. Even functions and features tested and working on prototypes can be turned off and hold back for future versions.

The post from last year: Descent, Garmin’s next Fenix4 model?


More information (Garmin): Garmin Descent Mk1

Press release

Garmin® debuts its first dive computer, the Descent Mk1, featuring surface GPS in a sleek, everyday wearable design


 Tuesday, October 31, 2017 6:00 am CDT
“The Descent Mk1 was built by divers, for divers and we are so excited that our passion for engineering purpose-built devices, now supports the passion of underwater explorers.”

OLATHE, Kan.–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Garmin International, Inc., a unit of Garmin Ltd. (NASDAQ: GRMN), today announced the Descent™ Mk1, a dive computer housed in a watch-style design offering surface GPS navigation with rich color mapping. Designed for recreational, technical and free divers, the Descent Mk1 allows divers to plan their underwater adventure right on the watch and use GPS waypoints to automatically mark dive entry and exit points. The Descent Mk1 also offers multiple dive modes, 3-axis compass, in-dive data, as well as multi-sport functions like wrist-based heart rate, activity profiles and automatic dive log uploads via the Garmin Connect Mobile app to Garmin’s online dive community. The Descent Mk1 is being launched in conjunction with DEMA in Orlando, Florida, Nov. 1-4, booth #2234.

“No matter what kind of diver you are, the Descent Mk1 is the intuitive dive computer you won’t want to take off. And with features built for in and out of the water, packed into a watch form factor, you don’t have to,” said Dan Bartel, Garmin vice president of global consumer sales. “The Descent Mk1 was built by divers, for divers and we are so excited that our passion for engineering purpose-built devices, now supports the passion of underwater explorers.”

The Descent Mk1 includes an Apnea mode for recreational and competitive free divers, and Apnea Hunt mode for spear fishers. When the diver submerges, the device will automatically start the dive, and when the diver surfaces from the water, it will automatically stop the dive. The Descent Mk1 supports up to six gases including air, nitrox and trimix. While enjoying their dive under the water, useful information such as depth, dive time, temperature, NDL/TTS, ascent/descent rates, gas mix, PO2, N2 loading, decompression/safety stop information, time-of-day, and more can be viewed on a crisp 1.2-inch color display. The diver can switch to the dive compass and additional data pages with the push of a button, or with a quick double tap on the screen.

The dive computer utilizes the Bühlmann ZHL-16c algorithm with configurable conservatism settings. Choose from three pre-set conservatism settings, or enter custom Gradient Factors. Selectable tone and vibration alerts help keep divers informed throughout their dive. When worn over a divers bare wrist, the Garmin Elevate™ wrist-based heart rate technology1 will monitor pulse and track exertion levels. The Descent Mk1 will automatically upload dive logs to Garmin Connect™ for post-dive analysis. Divers can name their dive, and go back in app to review dive data such as type of dive, temperature, entry and exit points and more.

Topside, the Descent Mk1 features a high-sensitivity GPS and GLONASS satellite tracking for map-based surface navigation including ABC (altimeter, barometer and compass) sensors. Beyond the full range of diving functions, the Descent Mk1 offers a complete feature set of sports/training, fitness and outdoor navigation tools. Preloaded with activity profiles for swimming, running, biking, hiking, skiing, rowing, paddle boarding and more. The Descent Mk1, when paired with a compatible smartphone2, allows a user to receive and view text messages, emails and smart notifications right on the watch. Users can customize the watch display with free watch faces, apps and data fields from our Connect IQ  store.

Crafted with premium materials, the Descent Mk1 dive computer will be available in two styles. A stainless-steel bezel with silicone watch band or a premium version with titanium bezel and greater scratch-resistant brushed DLC titanium bracelet. Using QuickFit bands, the diver can easily change between regular and longer QuickFit bands, for use over thick wetsuits or dry suits. QuickFit bands also allow the diver to tailor their wrist-worn style for any daily activity or special occasion — no tools required. Both models feature a domed sapphire lens for scratch resistance, and a bright, high-resolution full color 1.2-inch display with LED backlighting, assuring readability in all lighting conditions, above or below the water. Dive rated up to 100 meters3 (EN13319) the Descent Mk1 has a battery life of up to 40 hours in dive mode, 19 days in watch mode, 10 days in smartwatch mode, 20 hours in GPS/HR activity mode, and up to 30 hours in UltraTrac™ mode.

The Descent Mk1 is expected to be available in Q4 2017 for a suggested retail price of $999.99 for the stainless-steel and $1,499.99 for the premium version. To learn more, visit

The Descent Mk1 is the latest solution from Garmin’s expanding outdoor segment, which focuses on developing technologies and innovations to enhance users’ outdoor experiences. Whether hiking, hunting, geocaching, golfing or using satellite communication, Garmin outdoor devices are becoming essential tools for outdoor enthusiasts of all levels. For more information about Garmin’s other outdoor products and services, go to

For decades, Garmin has pioneered new GPS navigation and wireless devices and applications that are designed for people who live an active lifestyle. Garmin serves five primary business units, including automotive, aviation, fitness, marine, and outdoor recreation. For more information, visit Garmin’s virtual pressroom at, contact the Media Relations department at 913-397-8200, or follow us at,, or

1 See

2 When paired with a compatible smartphone; see


FCC Notice: The Descent Mk1 has not been authorized as required by the rules of the Federal Communications Commission. This device is not, and may not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained.


Garmin – Forerunner 645?

Garmin Forerunner 645 3small

It seems there are some pictures available of the Garmin Forerunner 645.
It also seems the name “music” is associated with it.
The watch looks similar to a Garmin Vívoactive 3 however this one has 5 buttons.

No time to look into it but will keep you updated on this one.
It doesn’t show up in the listings but that is no guarantee it wouldn’t be released already.


The 5 buttons have names in text on top of the watch bezel like the Foreruner 935, they don’t have the small icons like the previous FR735XT or FR920XT.
The button placement is the same as the current Fenix and Forerunner 935 series, meaning the Up and Down button are moved apart and not placed together as in the previous Forerunner series.

  • Start – Stop
  • Back
  • Down
  • Up
  • Light


  • Forerunner 645 “Sandstone”
  • Forerunner 645 Dark Gray
  • Forerunner 645 Marsala Red

Colors based on previous (old) information and picture

Garmin Forerunner645 Dark Gray

Suunto – Spartan Trainer

Trainer Family

Late 2016 the Suunto Spartan Trainer appeared shortly in a few online shops with some specifications. Based on those specifications i couldn’t wait to get my hands on one. It would however take more than 8 months before Suunto decided to official announce it’s existence with the sale starting soon after. Because two of my watches didn’t like the Finish training grounds (Suunto Voodoo) and where getting unreliable it was a good opportunity to try the Spartan trainer until spring 2018.

This post contains the specification while the following posts will be about the usage during multiple training sessions or Moves as Suunto names them.

Spartan Trainer – Specs

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At the moment there are 9 different Suunto Spartan Trainer versions:

REF  SS022668000  Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Black
REF  SS022669000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR White
REF  SS022670000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Ocean Mint
REF  SS022671000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Coral
REF SS023002000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Blue
REF SS023426000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Steel Gold (white band)
REF SS023425000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Steel Black
REF SS023408000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Steel Amber
REF SS023409000 Suunto Spartan Trainer Wrist HR Steel Sandstone

(White & Coral Official don’t exist online, however they seem to be available in very limited supply in some shops)


Key Features

Measurements 46  x  46  x  15.7  mm (Polyamide) / 46  x  46  x  14.9  mm (Steel)
Weight 56 g (Polyamide) / 66 g (Steel)
Measurements 1.81  x  1.81 x  0.62 ” (Polyamide) / 1.81 x 1.81 x 0.59 ”  (Steel)
Weight 1.98 oz  (Polyamide) / 2.33 oz (Steel)
Bezel material: Glass fibre reinforced polyamide / Steel
Glass material: Polyamide / Mineral crystal  (Steel)
Case material: Glass fibre reinforced polyamide
Strap material: Silicone
  • Battery life 10h with best GPS accuracy (up to 30h with power saving options)
  • 14 days battery life in time mode
  • Convenient wrist HR measurement
  • Compact size and optimal fit for sports and daily wear
  • 50 m water resistant
  • Ready to go: swimming, running, cycling, gym, hiking, and more
  • GPS tracking with speed, pace and distance
  • Customizable sport modes with graphs and automatic laps
  • Create intervals on watch and follow on-screen guidance
  • Planned Move **
  • Find back safely with breadcrumb view of traveled route
  • Route navigation with Points of Interest (POI) and Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA)*
  • Sunrise/sunset times *
  • 24/7 tracking of your daily steps, calories and sleep
  • Track your daily rest-HR value to know if you are stressed or over-trained
  • Personalize your watch with customizable watch faces
  • Get incoming calls, text and calendar notifications to your watch

*Available via Software Update on 17 October.
** Coming to Spartan (2018+)



Less pre-announcements/rumors in the future.

nextgen-suunto-garmin-polar-blur300You might have seen very little news on the this site lately, well there are many reasons for that: personal, work, exiting products and mostly the reorganized “leak” management of some big firms.

All information shared on this site was available of public or told to me with no restrictions of any kind.
Times have changed! While until a year and a half ago it was no problem getting information, now all information being shared to and with is carefully documented and for digital files are only shared to people on whitelists. Clear instruction not to talk or respond to information “leaked”, report it and then if possible it gets removed.

Looking at new products this leads to thing seen in my last post (april 2017): We knew Garmin had a new bike computer Edge 1030  (working name 1010) with battery pack and mount, Vector 3 and Varia Tail Light with Radar and Camera ready but no time when it would be released. Now in September everything has been released except the Tail light.
Same is true for the new Forerunners and Fenix series, we know the working names and most likely features but not the time and features at time of release (Forerunner 645, Fenix 5s plus, Fenix 5 plus and Fenix 5X plus).

During the summer it was clear Suunto was working on their 6th! version of the Spartan series. But not being able to share more information doesn’t make it an interesting story.
On the day i left Finland they finally announced the set back Spartan Trainer and this week the Spartan Sport Baro. The sixth variant similair to the trainer won’t take to long.

And finally Polar had an announcement that the next V800 would be announced next year (2018).

All single lines with no additional information until perhaps a week before the announcement takes place, for that reason i will post very little about pre-product announcements or rumors in the future. There are sites that are specialized in that.

The future.

While leaving Finland this summer i had a new record of 7 failing items (multiple watches, navigation devices, loggers and even a totally drowned full waterproof bike computer)
While having tried multiple devices in the past none of them where better that what i had before:

  • FR235, failing oHR, “bad” GPS and swim functionality
  • Fenix3, Size, GPS
  • Fenix5x, the one i loved but failing oHR (weight/bounce), GPS, size and so-so mapping. not making it my sports watch (should have known this on forehand because the Fenix 3 was the same)
  • Edge820, nice but i think mine didn’t have a touchscreen.

It’s always easy to return a product if you have other devices being just as good of better.

But know i needed another sportswatch, but which one would it be (private purchase)

  • Forerunner 935:
    pro: size and functions
    con: value for money, swim oHR, (again GPS?)
  • V800:
    pro: GPS, great value for money
    con: replacement in 6 months, no oHR
  • Spartan Trainer
    pro: price, “has it all?”
    con: functions.

I bought the Spartan Trainer for a very nice price with the idea that i would use it for 6 months. Next spring i will take a look on how the firmware has evolved and decide which real tri watch it will be (the Garmin FR935, new Polar V8xx or a smaller high end Spartan:-) )

Result: The next posts will be about the Suunto Spartan Trainer. My experiences and opinion after multiple moves. Not a one day hands-on review with a single move.
It’s got 6 months to prove itself!

Trainer Family








Garmin – Bike announcements?, Home automation app!

Garmin Lamp teaser

May 18: Next Garmin announcement will be the Virb 360 which will be released on May 24.


For the last week Garmin had a video online with a “home” lamp and the text “Wouldn’t it be nice if you could control your house with your Garmin?” and the date of today.

My guess was that they would pull of the lamp cover and show the new Varia Headligh.

But it seems that video was real home control related:

Garmin is also excited to announce an integration with the SmartThings home automation app – a free download from the Connect IQ store that allows users to control things in their home – lights, TVs, etc. – through their Garmin Connect IQ compatible device.

Well my main focus is not on Bikes or even lamps but i made this post so i can name these items and all other items which are in progress.

Today ? Soon we will see the first and possible two items

  • Varia Headlight
    Full control by ANT+ and very similair (Co-op?) to Bontrager (haven’t read anything on the relation between Garmin and Bontrager but both are very active the last days)
  • Varia Tail Light with Radar and Camera (not soon, poc?)
    I believe the camera is new? (i would think a cam will make it a little expensive)

Later this year (Eurobike?/Interbike?) expect to see the next generation of some of the existing products. Not that the current products are outdated but new metrics and new/added technologies can make a boost in sales. The development of a special edge 1010 external battery pack means that the current internal battery will be enough for the normal rides but the long rides will have to rely on an external pack.
Which metrics and if all items will be bluetooth remains unknown.

  • Edge 1010 & accessoires
    Main unit and accessoires in the form of an external battery pack and mount
  • Vector 3
    Dual-sensing pedal-based power meter
  • Vector 3S
    Single-sensing Pedal-based Power Meter, affordable power meter with option to upgrade to dual-sensing system



Polar introduces the M460


Today Polar announced the second of two products

  • Announced April 6, the Polar M430, an advanced running watch with GPS and Wrist-based heart rate.
  • Announced April 12, the Polar M460, a GPS bike computer

Polar M460 GPS Bike Computer

Get all the features you want in a bike computer without breaking the bank. Now with Strava Live Segments, Polar’s feature rich M460 is ready to take on your next training session or race with Smart Coaching and Advanced Metrics to help you crush your latest PR. Its flexible mounting options allow you to position your training computer correctly on your bike – no matter whether it’s installed up front, on the bars or on the stem. Thanks to the Bluetooth compatibility, this computer is compatible with most speed, cadence and power sensors from other manufacturers including PowerTap, Stages, 4iii, Wahoo Fitness and Rotor.


  • Advanced power meter compatibility
    Polar M460 is compatible with several Bluetooth power meters.
  • Strava Live SegmentsMake your rides more fun with Strava Live Segments. Your M460 alerts you when you approach one of your starred Strava segments, gives you real-time data on your performance and shows your results after you finish the segment.
  • GPS & Barometer
    Track your speed, distance, altitude and gradient with GPS and barometer.
  • Heart rate guidance
    Hook up Polar M460 with Polar H10 heart rate sensor and discover the benefits of heart rate training. Heart rate is the most reliable indicator of how hard your body is working — monitoring your heart rate helps you train more effectively.
  • Long battery life
    Polar M460 has a battery life of up to 16 hours of training.
  • Smart notificationsKeep connected during your rides with smart notifications from your phone.
  • SafetyPolar M460 looks after your safety with a front LED light.
  • Designed to endurePolar M460 has a sleek, clear-cut design and carbon fiber style finish. The side buttons are textured to make them easy to find and press.



Weight: 50 g
Thickness: 14,0 mm (19,4 mm with mount)
Display size: 34,65 mm x 34, 65 mm


  • Splash proof (IPX7)
  • High precision barometer
  • Sensitive and accurate GPS
  • 64Mb flash memory
  • Up to 70 hours of recording time (35h with HR and GPS)
  • Rechargeable 385mAh battery
  • Battery duration up to 16 hours of training with heart rate and GPS on


  • Easy wireless sync via Polar Flow app with Bluetooth Smart
  • Micro-USB connectivity for charging and data sync with PC or Mac via Polar FlowSync
  • Polar Flow web service compatibility with Mac OS X 10.6 or later and PC Windows XP, 7, 8, 10.
  • GPS satellite pre-loading
  • Compatible with Bluetooth power meters (Check third-party compatibility)
  • Updatable software
  • UI languages: English, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, Japanese, Chinese (Simplified), Russian, Polish, Turkish, Czech, Indonesian

What’s in the Box:

  • Polar M460
  • Adjustable Bike Mount
  • H10 Heart Rate Sensor (Bundle only)
  • Custom USB cable
  • Getting started guide



  • Polar M460 with HR strap – €230,00 / $229,95
  • Polar M460  – €180,00 / $179,95

Previous information in the Polar Teaser Post: Polar Teaser 2

More information about the Polar M460: Polar



Polar Announces Polar M460 GPS Bike Computer with Advanced Power Meter Compatibility and Smart Coaching

KEMPELE, FINLAND – April 12, 2017 – Polar, the leader in wearable sports and fitness technology for 40 years, introduces the latest addition to its cycling portfolio, the Polar M460. Featuring a sleek, all-black and fiber-like surface texture with improved button grip, the bike computer is equipped with integrated GPS, additional power meter compatibility, advanced power metrics and smart coaching, and Strava Live Segments, making it the ideal training tool for cyclists aiming to reach their goals. The Polar M460 will be available in April at from $179.90/€179.90 and includes a two-month Strava Premium membership.

Learn more about the new Polar M460 here.

“Polar’s experience working with professional athletes and coaches helps us develop the necessary technology to make Polar M460 a reliable tool for athletes during various stages of their training sessions,” said Marco Suvilaakso, Chief Strategy Officer of Polar. “Polar’s cycling products have become a staple for devoted cyclists who are passionate about their training and want to reach their goals.”

The versatile Polar M460 boasts reliable, integrated GPS and barometer-based inclinometer, compatibility with an extensive list of third party power meters and advanced cycling power metrics, such as Training Peaks’ Normalized Power®, Intensity Factor® and Training Stress Score®, to make training more efficient. Keeping cyclists connected, the Polar M460 also includes smart notifications for incoming calls, texts, calendar alerts and social media updates, as well as Strava Live Segments, allowing cyclists to see real-time stats to help them reach peak performance, while bringing the excitement of the social network for athletes to each ride. Additional features include IPX7 rating water resistance, a battery life offering 16 hours of training and front LED light.

When paired with the new Polar H10, athletes benefit from Polar’s industry leading heart rate technology, designed and tested for reliability, as well as the company’s proprietary Smart Coaching features via Polar Flow. These features include Fitness Test, which enables athletes to gauge their current fitness levels and see progress along the way, Training Load, which shows how a ride affects an athlete’s body, Orthostatic Test, which shows how an athlete’s heart rate responds to training and factors such as stress and illness, and Recovery Status, which helps athletes find the perfect balance between training and rest.

“Polar is no novice player in the cycling game, and we prove that with the introduction of Polar M460 to our cycling product portfolio,” said Tom Fowler, President of Polar U.S.A. “Cyclists rely on accurate data to not only track, but improve their performance, and Polar has used its industry leading technology, combined with passion for constantly improving cyclists’ performance, to develop an incredibly advanced bike computer. When a cyclist is equipped with data that is not only expansive and in-depth, but accurate, they are then equipped to set and achieve personal goals that encourage peak performance.”

Polar M460 is $179.90/€179.90 and available with the new Polar H10 for $229.90/€229.90 at in April. To learn more about Polar, visit

Polar Introduces the Polar M430


Today Polar announced the first of two products

  • The Polar M430, an advanced running watch with GPS and Wrist-based heart rate.
  • tba: The Polar M460, an GPS bike computer (Polar teaser still online)

Polar M430 GPS running watch in a nutshell

  • Designed for serious, goal-driven runners
  • Integrated GPS, wrist-based heart rate and 24/7 activity tracking
  • Waterproof (WR30)
  • 8 hours of training with GPS and optical heart rate, fully charged
  • Successor to the award-winning Polar M400 GPS running watch
  • Works with Polar Flow, the free fitness and training app and web service
  • Comes with Polar Smart Coaching features, such as the Running Program
  • Price: $229 / 229 €
  • Shipping starts in May

More information about the Polar M430: Polar

According to Polar there is no multisport (and swim) but OHR can be enabled during a swim? And multiple sports are available.



Polar Introduces the Polar M430, a Running Watch Built for Accuracy and Actionable Data


KEMPELE, FINLAND – April 6, 2017 – Polar, the leader in wearable sports and fitness technology for 40 years, announces an exciting addition to their running portfolio, the Polar M430. Equipped with Polar’s proprietary wrist-based heart rate technology, integrated GPS, and personalized, adaptive training guidance, Polar M430 is the ideal tool for runners aiming to reach their personal best. The design is fully waterproof and features a lightweight, breathable wristband and vibration alerts to inform runners exactly when they’re hitting goals during training. Polar M430 will soon be available for pre-order at for $229/€229.

Learn more about the new Polar M430 here.

“In the growing market of running products that can track heart rate, pace and several other performance metrics, Polar M430 stands out for two major reasons,” says Marco Suvilaakso, Chief Strategy Officer at Polar. “First, Polar has put 40 years of research and development into creating highly accurate technology, which is why so many athletes continue to seek our products. What makes Polar even more unique is that we then go beyond just providing accurate data; we turn it into actionable guidance. Our Smart Coaching features can show users how they benefitted a single training or over time, how their performance translates into an expected race finish time, and even provide adaptive running training programs that sync to the watch. Combined, these elements make Polar M430 a distinguished running watch in the category.”

Polar’s industry-leading accuracy, paired with the company’s proprietary Smart Coaching and adaptive Polar Running Program, make Polar M430 the stand-out running watch in the category. An all-in-one device, Polar M430 provides wrist-based heart rate measurement during training, integrated GPS and core running metrics, and sleep tracking and recovery metrics. Reliable heart rate technology and hardware is not something Polar takes lightly, which is why their latest running watch features Polar’s industry-leading heart rate algorithms, designed and tested for reliability, as well as a proprietary optical heart rate solution with 6-LEDs optimized for Polar M430.

Providing trusted metrics is only a piece of the experience; what truly sets Polar M430 apart is Polar’s ability to take running data and make it actionable. Paired with Polar Flow, Polar M430 is transformed into a reliable running coach that can provide personalized feedback, an adaptive training plan, and live guidance for athletes during various stages of their training sessions. Polar’s Running Program considers training history, gauges current activity levels, accounts for a final goal date and then builds a personal running program in seconds. Runners can upload daily training plans to Polar M430 to follow, for example, interval guidance and heart rate zones during runs, and access Polar’s strength and core training videos in the Polar Flow app to incorporate in weekly training. Other advanced Smart Coaching features include Running Index, which uses data to show the efficiency of an athlete’s running; Fitness Test, which enables athletes to gauge their current fitness levels and see progress along the way; and Training Benefit, which provides feedback immediately after a training session to explain the benefits of a workout.

“I recently joined Polar’s team of endurance athletes, and what immediately drew me to the brand was not only their consistent and reliable running data, but also their passion for making that data understandable to anyone,” said Molly Huddle, Olympic runner and American record holder. “As a pro, I have coaches guiding me through trainings, reviewing my data, and tracking how I’m performing daily as well as over time. But most runners, even many international class runners, don’t have that luxury. These athletes need the proper training guidance and the Polar M430 delivers just that. It becomes your coach, keeping you on track during a session and, post-workout, making training and recovery easy to understand.”

Polar M430 offers a selection of GPS power modes that extend battery life to nearly 30 hours. The running watch can also connect to Polar Balance for holistic weight management tracking and guidance.

Polar M430 is $229/€229 and available for pre-order soon in dark grey, white and orange at Polar M430 will begin shipping in May. Learn more about Polar, access running tips, or learn how to set up a personalized training plan.

About Polar:
Polar is the innovator in heart rate monitoring, activity trackers and training computers. With 40 years of experience and a proud heritage in physiological and sports medical research, we cater to all levels of fitness by offering a comprehensive product range including cycling computers, wearable sports devices and activity trackers, training apps and online services. Our award-winning training computers are the number one choice among consumers worldwide, being sold through over 35,000 retailers globally. Headquartered in Finland, Polar is a privately held company that operates in more than 80 countries including U.S. headquarters in Lake Success, NY. For more information, please visit

Polars, stay tuned next step

Line below can be downgraded as the source had to many faults on the M430 in my eyes.
It seems the source was average, it’s just how you read “hi-res” and “Multiple sport profiles” vs “multisport”
The current information suggests that the replacement for the V800 (not the Polar M430) would be no sooner than late autumn and the only other (interesting) product from Polar before that time would be a bike computer (M460) which is soon to be introduced.